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Post by whitefang on Sept 10, 2019 9:52:08 GMT -5
These guys are pretty good too--------
Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 10, 2019 15:06:01 GMT -5
This is with Paul Oscher on harp, one of the last to work with Muddy. Paul has gone on to make a career out of blues, both harp and guitar. And vocals.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 11, 2019 9:51:16 GMT -5
So I'm guessing, harpman you claim... You're familiar with this guy? And it would have been nice if you added something like THIS------ Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 11, 2019 10:20:40 GMT -5
I've heard OF Nemeth but don't know a lot ABOUT him. Paul Oscher also plays a mean bass harp.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 12, 2019 10:06:14 GMT -5
I mentioned my love of "blues" before ever knowing the music was called that, but besides JOHNNY WINTER, one guy that spurred me on(in the '60's) to keep PLAYING blues, was THIS "kid"!------- (MIKE BLOOMFIELD just loved 'im, and that was good enough for me!)
Whitefang
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Post by whitefang on Sept 13, 2019 10:08:24 GMT -5
And nothing to do with the movie! Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 13, 2019 13:42:57 GMT -5
I listened to about an hour of Bloomfield this morning via YouTube as I was priming cabinets for paint. He was good. I guess either depression or associated addiction took him from us. He did some great work with Butterfield, another favorite harp guy from Chicago.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 14, 2019 10:38:27 GMT -5
Bloomfield's biggest health issue was chronic insomnia. It got so bad at times he required hospitalization. But he was found dead in his locked car and details of the cause of death were never made clear. MY earliest awareness of him came from his work on a few BOB DYLAN LPs. Then I started digging a bit into his past and found the Butterfield connection. It too, is where I also learned about ELVIN BISHOP long before that plastic "Fooled Around And Fell In Love" sell-out. A lot of well known(in some circles) '60's musicians didn't get their "due" until later in the '70's, and doing stuff many considered far below their ability. You don't KNOW how many just onlya few scant years younger than me were surprised in the '70's to learn that BOZ SCAGGS once played in STEVE MILLER's band, but too, that Miller made records LONG BEFORE "The Joker" or "Fly Like An Eagle"! But enough......
Most people, when you mention "blues" first think of guitar players, with harmonica players getting secondary consideration. But NEVER think of... not only SAX players, but WOMEN sax players! --------
Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 14, 2019 19:30:22 GMT -5
You have that blues channel on cable it looks like.
What Elvin Bishop is up to these days sounds pretty cool. I know he gave in to the machine at one point but I think If I had to in order to do what I wanted, I'd be tempted. Clapton has done that for a long time.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 15, 2019 9:53:35 GMT -5
Heh! BUSTED! Yeah, there's a "blues" channel on my cable's MUSIC CHOICE section, 50 channels of different genres, something for everybody. I don't blame Bishop for "selling out", no more than I do George Benson or others. Integrity is noble, but for an artist it really doesn't pay the bills. When Benson was being maligned by other jazz musicians for doing what they called "pop tunes", Benson countered ( it's rumored) with: "Hey, I'll GLADLY play any music THEY think I should. Just as soon as they take over payin' all my bills!" (and that's basically how I feel about "neighborhood associations" that feel they have any right to tell me how to decorate my own property. ). Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 15, 2019 10:32:59 GMT -5
We listened to a lot of the artists you've mentioned lately last year at our apartment building. Game room had a nice reg pool table and the cable had the blues channel. We spent a lot of time shooting and listening. Some of what passes for blues I can't get behind. Some of the new guys are great. Mr. Sipp is a real power. Birchwood. But some I just don't get. I guess it goes back to what a person perceives to be blues. It's a real melting pot these days and maybe always. Much of what we play here these days would not be considered blues by say Muddy or Wolf. Minstrel stuff, roots rock, Americana, gospel, soul, all have crept in. Not a bad thing at all. Memphis Minnie, Big Mama Thornton, Johnny Cash, Hank W., to Pink Floyd and David Bowie. Old a cappella spirituals. Ragtime. Big Joe Turner. RJ.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 16, 2019 10:20:03 GMT -5
We listened to a lot of the artists you've mentioned lately last year at our apartment building. Game room had a nice reg pool table and the cable had the blues channel. We spent a lot of time shooting and listening. Some of what passes for blues I can't get behind. Some of the new guys are great. Mr. Sipp is a real power. Birchwood. But some I just don't get. Bone, blues is no different from many other genres as it's not immune from the foibles of human nature when mixed with business and money. That's when cliche and formula clutter the newcomer's contributions. Then you get a lot of people claiming to know what blues is supposed to be like, and/or it's something that can be taught. But, IMHO, NObody can teach anybody else self expression, lest they risk creating a clone of themselves( musically). It's as foolish as thinking you can buy self-esteem. B.B. King once said, "ANYBODY can sing the blues. Anybody who's had heartache, lost love, or can't find love, or knows or knew hard times and loneliness can play or sing the blues." Indeed.... In another forum years ago I told of taking my old Epiphone to a local music shop for repair/restoration. While waiting to talk to the tech, there was a young man picking on an acoustic and playing a variety of "blues". He'd announce, "Here's Mississippi Delta blues." Then he'd pick a few runs( and he was pretty good) and then say, "And here's CHICAGO style blues" and pick a few more runs, he then went to ST. LOUIS and KANSAS CITY "styles" and at that point, an old black man hangin' 'round the shop (who I learned was waiting for his grandson who was out back getting a lesson) shuffled up and told the young man, "Son, You got the wrong idea. Blues isn't a style, it's a feelin' ". I kind of chuckled at that, and it was essentially true. The young man playing in the shop did play technically astute, but as for the "blues" part, he did come off as academic and sterile. And +1,000 on Mr. Sipp. And another guy who's not really new, but generally unknown to those still blinded by the long-gone Stevie Ray Vaughn, who was really good. Not sayin' he wasn't but I'm talking about CHRIS THOMAS KING, who I became aware of when seeing him play the character TOMMY in the 2001 movie O BROTHER, WHERE ART THOU. It was a buddy of mine who informed, "He's an actual blues guitarist." Then I eventually heard some of his recordings. Now, I gotta GET some! Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 16, 2019 14:52:11 GMT -5
King left me cold as a welldiggers you know the rest.
Different people in different regions and times have informed a different emphasis on what "blues" was and is. To me the purists- who I have met some of- are no more correct or accurate for their fountains of history on who wrote what or played how, than the man in the moon. Education does not confer feel. I've had my own feel for a long time. I'm with BB. If you hang in Clarksdale MS you get a different take than if you go hang in Holly Springs. Or Memphis. New Orleans. Chicago. Houston. Times and people have impact on what gets played. And yes, money and business.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 17, 2019 9:44:40 GMT -5
King left me cold as a welldiggers you know the rest. 'Splain please.... Whitefang
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Post by jbone on Sept 17, 2019 19:44:48 GMT -5
My information comes from the blues station on cable, pretty much that's it. My impression was of a guy who wanted to be big time and could not make it happen in the US. So one way or another he ended up in Europe, kind of pandering to a cadre of the "right" people there. Made it big. Came back here and made it pretty big. But the stuff he's presented, that I've heard, is so far from blues I can't believe anyone could call it that. Just my opinion.
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