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Jan 20, 2016 16:07:48 GMT -5
Post by JamesP on Jan 20, 2016 16:07:48 GMT -5
It"S plain to see those who firmly believe in their position are not going to be swayed. Those of us that can see the dangers of relinquishing even one liberty so earned with blood, sweat and tears know what's in our hearts. And for those who see the other side of the coin, I will defend you when needed...with my weapons.
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Jan 20, 2016 16:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by sarge on Jan 20, 2016 16:45:21 GMT -5
banjo, why would you be frightened of law abiding citizens having guns? Those scrotes that have guns hidden in their house are folks that won't be the victim of some crook that breaks into their house, ties them up and murders them. I can't fathom someone wanting to be totally defenseless. And James, you hit he nail on the head!!!
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Post by banjo on Jan 20, 2016 16:55:32 GMT -5
* Sorry Sarge, our posts crossed!
I'm guessing that a vast majority of American citizens own guns right? Then in pure numbers terms they already have the argument, for better or worse. Ultimately though, such a democracy must embrace the right of everyone to have their say regarding what in their opinion constitutes the best for the majority.(as opposed to what constitutes the best for their own back pockets...) Well that's my understanding of the the definition of democracy even though there are a great many flavours of "democracy" across the planet. If there is any validity at all in a conflicting standpoint, then it should be allowed even though ultimately rejected as being "not what constitutes the best in the interest of the majority"
Regarding your offer of defence Jim, I'm sure no one has forgotten the incalculable contribution of Americans to the two world wars of the last century, which kind of goes to reinforce your point and for which Europeans ought to remember that they are indebted. I still feel that an armed populace is not much use against hostile nations wondering whether to launch warheads at me.
I don't feel entrenched because I can see distinct advantages to both sides of this debate. As stated earlier, I'm after becoming better informed. This thread has certainly done that and persuaded me to drop some preconceptions.
e&oe...
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Post by sarge on Jan 20, 2016 20:48:03 GMT -5
A lot of folks think that the U.S. is a democracy. It is not and never has been a democracy; it's a federally constituted republic or as some call it a representative republic. It started out as a confederacy.
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Jan 21, 2016 9:13:23 GMT -5
Post by JamesP on Jan 21, 2016 9:13:23 GMT -5
What if:
If a background check is required on all sales and transfers of guns, this provides the Governmental agencies with a complete registry of all guns within the United States. Now, consider this: The President is Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. This gives him the power to order the military to confiscate all guns under the guise of national security. If the military obeys his order, using the aforementioned Registry, all of our weapons would be taken from us, leaving us vulnerable to the objectives of a totalitarian government.
I'm not saying individual gun owners could wage war against the well armed, and organized military. But if we assume that the military would be divided if such an occurence took place - i.e. many of the current military would side with the populace, the individual gun owners aka well armed militia could very easily make the difference between the defeat of the planned takeover vs victory as planned by the Second Admendment.
So, any attempt by the federal government to develop such a registry should be resisted.
Just sayin...
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Jan 21, 2016 9:50:49 GMT -5
Post by sarge on Jan 21, 2016 9:50:49 GMT -5
It's good to watch the movie Red Dawn every so often. There's now 2 versions of that movie, an older one and a newer one. Both of them are good.
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Post by banjo on Jan 21, 2016 14:15:09 GMT -5
And also to read the book "The Moon Is Down" by John Buchan.
e&oe...
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