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Post by whitefang on Sept 14, 2020 10:11:49 GMT -5
Considering what's happening out west(and California specifically) this old SPIRIT tune is relevant?
Too soon? Whitefang
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:22:43 GMT -5
@ Fangster Sounds like a normal California summer/fall occurrence. I went up to northern California one summer about 6 years ago, and I just got through to my sister in laws house before they closed the road. The In Laws live on top of a woods mountain halfway between Williams Cal and the coast. We could go outside every night and see the fire raging on the next mountain over. We could have gone further west to escape Lake County in Northern California, if we needed to or we could flee north as well. But none of that was needed as the fire moved further south by the time we were leaving 10 days later. So all was good. Since I lived up in Northern Cal in the late 60's up until the mid 70's I knew a bunch of back and main roads in all directions in Trinity, Lake, Sonoma, Marin, and Napa counties by heart. I was not going to get trapped in if the fires came our way.
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Post by jbone on Sept 15, 2020 23:33:53 GMT -5
We were basically on the coast way north in '17 when the fires got bad a bit further north of us. We were on the Klamath River about a mile from the ocean. The last 2 weeks we had smoke haze every day. All roads north and east of there were closed by Labor Day and we hooked and hauled south before we were trapped. We basically went south to Sacramento and then back north and east to Reno and then east across the Divide. We were just into Nebraska before we stopped seeing smoke high in the atmosphere. By then BC, Oregon, Cal, and parts of Montana and Wyoming had big fires.
I shudder to think how much is bare ash now. But I also think it's a testament to man's attempts- and failures- to control the landscape. Nature always wins.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 16, 2020 9:41:51 GMT -5
I shudder to think how much is bare ash now. But I also think it's a testament to man's attempts- and failures- to control the landscape. Nature always wins. Sure does, and since man has(mostly) been in denial of how people have changed the characteristic of nature, how it will go about winning isn't as predictable as it once was, which wasn't all to predictable to begin with. Idiots want to keep insisting that "global warming" and "climate change" are "hoaxes" and "scams", yet when pressed still never come up with any intelligent sounding explanations for the weather anomalies we've been experiencing for the last decade or more. Whitefang
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 12:56:34 GMT -5
I believe the scientists for science. The politicians and right wing preachers opinions on climate science is absolutely of no consequence to me.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 17, 2020 9:35:39 GMT -5
Of curse you should realize it's the consequences you and I and EVERYBODY ELSE will be paying, right? Whitefang
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 10:02:51 GMT -5
Of curse you should realize it's the consequences you and I and EVERYBODY ELSE will be paying, right? Whitefang Paying in dollars? Or paying in climate problems? Whatever the costs, humanity is responsible for the pollution we put in the air. I trust the scientists (most of which are honestly trying to alert us to the problems we are causing using petrochemical products). There are a few scientists who do get paid off by the rich big companies, but I think most scientists are straightforward and on the up and up.
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Post by jbone on Sept 17, 2020 22:05:56 GMT -5
Sadly, at the end of the day, it ceases to matter what has put us in this situation. As weather events get worse- which they are- species are dying out. Plant and animal. Insects we need to pollinate food. Food animals. Coastal areas will be hard places to survive in. California? Who knows. I believe there will be big migrations due to climate and economics. Yes, we have gone very much astray in the past couple of centuries. To me the changes are unstoppable let alone reversible in any way.
The ride is just beginning.
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Post by whitefang on Sept 18, 2020 9:32:33 GMT -5
So then, maybe this LP is more fitting?..... Whitefang
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