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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2014 7:32:32 GMT -5
Did Rock and Roll replace Jazz?
Post-WWII rhythm and blues performed by artists such as Louis Jordan, Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris and many others, most of whom came out of the Big Band Jazz Swing Era seemed to spell the death knell for Jazz. After the 50's, did R&B/Rock and Roll replace Jazz?
Let's discuss.
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2014 8:18:20 GMT -5
Roy Brown
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Post by billf on Jan 20, 2014 9:15:14 GMT -5
Did Rock and Roll replace Jazz? Post-WWII rhythm and blues performed by artists such as Louis Jordan, Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris and many others, most of whom came out of the Big Band Jazz Swing Era seemed to spell the death knell for Jazz. After the 50's, did R&B/Rock and Roll replace Jazz? Let's discuss. Here in the UK there was a very significant following for modern jazz around 1960. As a 20-year-old at the time, I was very typical of the more discriminating young listener who wanted something more than chart pops. But with the advent of The Beatles around 1964, the young audience was lost. Jazz became far more of a fringe activity, but continues till this day, very often with an elderly audience who've been listening since about 1960! |
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2014 9:47:15 GMT -5
Did Rock and Roll replace Jazz? Post-WWII rhythm and blues performed by artists such as Louis Jordan, Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris and many others, most of whom came out of the Big Band Jazz Swing Era seemed to spell the death knell for Jazz. After the 50's, did R&B/Rock and Roll replace Jazz? Let's discuss. Here in the UK there was a very significant following for modern jazz around 1960. As a 20-year-old at the time, I was very typical of the more discriminating young listener who wanted something more than chart pops. But with the advent of The Beatles around 1964, the young audience was lost. Jazz became far more of a fringe activity, but continues till this day, very often with an elderly audience who've been listening since about 1960! Good Post. Yes, it does seem that Jazz was replaced by Rock and Roll in or about the late 60's. But is there a trend for some of the early "rockers" to return to Jazz? My SIL is a good example, he was a Metal Head until he hit 35, then he returns to Miles, Dizzy, Bird, etc. Is there a new Jazz group that epitomizes modern Jazz? |
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Post by billf on Jan 20, 2014 11:46:27 GMT -5
Here in the UK there was a very significant following for modern jazz around 1960. As a 20-year-old at the time, I was very typical of the more discriminating young listener who wanted something more than chart pops. But with the advent of The Beatles around 1964, the young audience was lost. Jazz became far more of a fringe activity, but continues till this day, very often with an elderly audience who've been listening since about 1960! Good Post. Yes, it does seem that Jazz was replaced by Rock and Roll in or about the late 60's. But is there a trend for some of the early "rockers" to return to Jazz? My SIL is a good example, he was a Metal Head until he hit 35, then he returns to Miles, Dizzy, Bird, etc. Is there a new Jazz group that epitomizes modern Jazz? Yes, this is a recognizable group you're describing, Jim. People who weren't born when I started to listen to jazz in 1957 naturally grew up to be rockers, but a very small percentage of these found their way into jazz, often via popular Blue Note hits. Typically they're in their 50s, but, I stress, very small in number. Another very small, but significant, jazz listening group are music students who in these enlightened times study jazz and its history in college. It's nice to see a couple of 19-year-olds at a gig where the rest of the audience are pensioners! |
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Post by tom1960 on Jan 20, 2014 12:50:25 GMT -5
Good Post. Yes, it does seem that Jazz was replaced by Rock and Roll in or about the late 60's. But is there a trend for some of the early "rockers" to return to Jazz? My SIL is a good example, he was a Metal Head until he hit 35, then he returns to Miles, Dizzy, Bird, etc. Is there a new Jazz group that epitomizes modern Jazz? Yes, this is a recognizable group you're describing, Jim. People who weren't born when I started to listen to jazz in 1957 naturally grew up to be rockers, but a very small percentage of these found their way into jazz, often via popular Blue Note hits. Typically they're in their 50s, but, I stress, very small in number. Count me in as one of the few who started listening to rock music early on only to gravitate to jazz(back in the 1980's) in my mid to late 20's to present day in my early/mid 50's. It was kind of an evolution to me. I got bored with the same old/same old and wanted to explore other music outside the rock realm. First it was blues, then jazz and later even classical to some extent. Let me also add, the Blue Note titles were a major entry point into the jazz world for me. To me it was the real deal. |
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Post by johnt on Jan 20, 2014 14:02:44 GMT -5
Good Post. Yes, it does seem that Jazz was replaced by Rock and Roll in or about the late 60's. But is there a trend for some of the early "rockers" to return to Jazz? My SIL is a good example, he was a Metal Head until he hit 35, then he returns to Miles, Dizzy, Bird, etc. Is there a new Jazz group that epitomizes modern Jazz? Yes, this is a recognizable group you're describing, Jim. People who weren't born when I started to listen to jazz in 1957 naturally grew up to be rockers, but a very small percentage of these found their way into jazz, often via popular Blue Note hits. Typically they're in their 50s, but, I stress, very small in number. Another very small, but significant, jazz listening group are music students who in these enlightened times study jazz and its history in college. It's nice to see a couple of 19-year-olds at a gig where the rest of the audience are pensioners! Language warning. When Stan Kenton and his Orchestra visited England in fall of '63 for a series of concerts, a reporter asked Kenton soon after he arrived, "What do you think of the Beatles?" Kenton replied, "Who are the Beatles?" When told who the Beatles were and how popular, Kenton reportedly told his sidemen, "we're f.....d." Actually very prophetic. Jazz didn't really help itself either by becoming such an intellectual exercise in the 60's. People, even jazz fans, still want to feel their bodies move and their toes taps from time to time. That's why swing is still just about the most popular form of jazz among the members of the general public who still care about it. A young person has to be very deliberate about the whole process in order to get into jazz today. It sure isn't "in the air," as it once was even 40+ years ago when I became interested. I didn't like rock and all the aspects associated with it, but I did like the sound of brass instruments (I played poor trombone in my school's concert band), so starting checking out big bands like Woody, Maynard, Basie, Kenton and Rich and a little later, Ellington. I didn't know that would lead into a life-long passion and far too many recordings for comfort. But there's not a whole lot of folk around my age (approaching 60) who are into jazz. At the jazz concerts I attend, I'm often still among the youngest there. It's controversial to say this, but the "institutionalization" of jazz in colleges and universities and conservatories has been a mixed blessing. Good for preserving the music for sure, but not so good for developing unique and original musical voices. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 21, 2014 11:32:35 GMT -5
Sonny Rollins on the Stones - Waiting On A Friend  This is a rare mature reflection from The Stones, as Mick Jagger sings about the values of friendship as opposed to women. Then again, it might be about drugs. Keith Richards was a heroin user at the time, and the song could be a euphemism for waiting on the "connection" - the man with the drugs. Should Keith (or in this case, Mick, as he is singing in the video) get questioned by the police, his response would be, "I'm just waiting on a friend." (thanks, Russell - High Desert, CA) Originally Recorded in 1972 at the sessions for their album Goats Head Soup, this didn't make the cut but was repackaged and released on Tattoo You 9 years later. There are no musician credits on Tattoo You, but it is clear that Mick Taylor contributed on guitar, which he was not compensated for. Taylor fell into obscurity after leaving The Stones in 1974. Released as a single, this did much better in America than in England. The Stones hired Jazz saxophonist Sonny Rollins to play on the Tattoo You album. He played on this as well as the tracks "Slave" and "Neighbors." (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France)
The video ran constantly on MTV. Directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg, who did their Rock and Roll Circus special in 1968, it featured Jagger and Richards meeting on a New York City street, then going to a local bar to join the rest of The Stones. Reggae legend Peter Tosh is the Rasta sitting on the stoop with Mick Jagger. (thanks, Eli - Albuquerque, NM) |
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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2014 11:45:52 GMT -5
Jimmy Smith
James Oscar "Jimmy" Smith (December 8, 1925[1] or 1928[2] – February 8, 2005) was an African-American jazz musician who achieved the rare distinction of releasing a series of instrumental jazz albums that often charted on Billboard. Smith helped popularize the Hammond B-3 electric organ, creating an indelible link between sixties soul and jazz improvisation.
In 2005, Smith was awarded the NEA Jazz Masters Award from the National Endowment for the Arts, the highest honor that the United States bestows upon jazz musicians.
(Wikipedia)
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