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Post by JamesP on Mar 16, 2017 14:55:56 GMT -5
Who has attended one of these concerts?
I hear some good reviews and some that would prefer to hear Gilmour.
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Post by JamesP on Mar 28, 2017 12:34:10 GMT -5
Have you ever contemplated how Rock and Roll has survived for so long? There have been other innovations in music - Reggae, Punk, Surf, Soul, and even when you consider the longevity and popularity as measured by record sales and plays, Blues, Jazz, Bluegrass, Folk, R&B - all have limited success over a significant period of time.
But Rock and Roll reinventes itself by incorporating bits of each "fad genre" or "classic genre" into a new set of lyrics, new riffs, and even incorporating new instrumentation. Chet Atkins at RCA Records Nashville, must have known a lot more than history gives him credit for - The Nashville Sound, bringing new instruments, backup singing, bits of blues, pop, classical and yes Rock and Roll into the Country Music scene. The Traditionalists cried "foul" but Country Music lives on. We may not agree with the final product, but commercial success is commercial success. Just break out your old LP Vinyls, dust off the turntable, and listen to a little of the old-time country.
That's what I do with Jazz, Blues and Country. Thanks that I have the recordings to listen to when the new age country, blues and jazz offends me.
But back to Rock and Roll - it's survived the Disco era, it's survived Ozzy, and it's flourished with the Dead Heads, Parrot Heads, Southern Rock - Allman's and others. It's been given life support at times with shows such as American Idol - giving us great Rock and Roll artists.
As the "Father" of Rock and Roll said before his death:
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Post by whitefang on Mar 28, 2017 21:51:21 GMT -5
Ah, another "R" word...... In another thread in another forum, we've used a variety. When discussing blues, we've used "revival", "revisal", "restoration" and whatnot. But it is something to think about.... Somewhere in another discussion(and a few years ago) I mentioned a nephew of mine who claimed, "I hate rock'n'roll". And both his Mother and I had to keep trying to remind him that whatever it is that HE listens to( which I like to tease him by calling it"canned beats in Autotune sauce") might possibly not EXIST if not for rock'n'roll. But I do like that term..."reinvent". Certainly, rock'n'roll has had it's share of "facelifts" over the decades. And too, became a large element in what would be considered genres that were thought of to be standing on their own.... "blues-ROCK", "folk-ROCK", "jazz-ROCK", "country-ROCK", "gospel-ROCK", and for kicks and levity, I'll add "grammar-ROCK" It did( and still does) seem that by adding a strong backbeat, electric guitar and a lively tempo to ANY other kind of music automatically made it some kind of "Rock". But what's also phenomenal.....over the last 20 or more years I've noticed a lot of the newer generations not only moving towards more "rock oriented" music, but also some actually liking what some consider passe. Just the other day while standing in line at the grocer's, I heard some kid standing behind me singing along with the tune coming thru the earbuds of the iPod he was carrying. The tune? "Eight Days A Week"! A grandniece of ours that we used to cart EVERYWHERE with us when she was three and four years old( soon to be 30) used to sing along with whatever song was playing on the "oldies" station my wife and I kept on the car radio. I was surprised she KNEW the lyrics to some of them old tunes. And ones I haven't heard for YEARS! Rock'n'Roll has "drive". NObody with a soul or in ANY mood can't HELP but move their feet, head or bounce in their chair when it's playing. You can bet that when people get together and want to liven things up, they AIN'T gonna put "Mr. Sandman" or "Buttons and Bows" on the box. It'll likely be SOME form of rock'n'roll. Sure, there'll be the few who'll crank up the Hip-Hop or Rap, or maybe even the Ga Ga, but where do ya think THOSE beats came from? Yep...... You GUESSED it! Whitefang
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Post by Pistol Pete on Mar 29, 2017 4:46:42 GMT -5
I guess we're talking about the broader definition of Rock & Roll here, what you might call 'rock'?
I think one of the big things is that for whatever reason it has been less prone to the preservationist streak that blues, country (until recently), jazz & oompah have going on. Because the fans have allowed rock music to evolve & incorporate new elements rather than holding it to a strict definition had meant it could dominate over the longer term. There's not really a rock equivalent to Preservation Hall, where people fight to keep the tradition 'pure'.
That said, I just had a quick look at the Billboard 100 for this week and there's very little in the way of rock there, so it seems like it's days as the dominant force in popular music might be drawing to a close in the face of the influences of Hip Hop (or new 'R&B' as it gets called - not to be confused with Screaming Jay Hawkins) & electronic dance music, both of which have been around for 30+ years now.
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Post by whitefang on Mar 29, 2017 9:16:44 GMT -5
I can concur with a lot of that, but a bit confused as to what YOU refer to as "oompah". I've only used the word in referrence to German polka music. And 'round here, I haven't noticed any preservasionist streak for THAT. Whitefang
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Post by JamesP on Mar 29, 2017 10:05:07 GMT -5
Last time I was in Germany, the biergarten bands were definitely playing Oompah 😂
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Post by JamesP on Mar 30, 2017 10:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by whitefang on Apr 1, 2017 19:25:23 GMT -5
Pete brought up "preservasionist" bands, and I suppose there AREN'T a lot if any out there. Most of the ones in the past have been mostly nostalgic novelty bands like Sha-Na-Na, Benny And The Jets, Flash Cadillac and the Continental Kids and the like. The only SERIOUS contenders out there were the STRAY CATS, and they're long gone. But then again....
Without my being able to offer any TITLES or artists, I've heard songs over the years that used what's considered long held "rock'n'roll" progressions( ie: Am-G-F-E) but with modern day instrumentation and more "updated" tempos. So it does seem in a way that rock'n'roll DOES live on despite attempts to diguise it. And as the term "rock'n'roll" has been used to describe a genre that's primarily an almalgam of several various genres, any "preservation" of THSOE genres are basically and vicariously keeping rock'n'roll alive. Whitefang
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Post by Pistol Pete on Apr 3, 2017 2:24:32 GMT -5
I can concur with a lot of that, but a bit confused as to what YOU refer to as "oompah". I've only used the word in referrence to German polka music. And 'round here, I haven't noticed any preservasionist streak for THAT. Whitefang I was indeed referring to German brass band music. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but I've always imagined the German brass band scene would be like the English folk scene where lots of people have very strong opinions about what is or isn't folk music.
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Post by whitefang on Apr 3, 2017 7:21:46 GMT -5
Sure. NO genre it seems, can escape the infusion of "purists" when it comes to defining what it IS. Which usually, based on my observations over the years, seems mostly a matter of what some self-anoited "purist" THINKS it should be, based mostly on THEIR personal preferrences. Rock'n'roll, like JAZZ before it, hasn't been immune to such tripe sadly. And like Jazz before it, I always considered it( and as YOU have also stated) a constantly evolving and growing form. Like "Ragtime" musicians, once "Dixieland" came about, thought IT wasn't "real" jazz( or "jass" which it was called for a time back then) and went through all that again when it changed again. When Gillespie and Parker brought "Be-Bop" forth, all the "swing" and "big band" guys claimed IT wasn't "real" jazz and so forth. And so it was with rock'n'roll. Remember... Even BEETHOVEN was once considered as not a "real" composer of orchestral music, his compositions at first so different and radical from what was the accepted "norm" that it "scandalized" the status quo. So, this whole thing has been going on for much longer than we think! Whitefang
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Post by JamesP on Apr 3, 2017 9:12:45 GMT -5
Great comments Pete and fang.
I hear every day some comment that the new country ain't really country.
And like you said Fang somewhere, Americana seems like a hodgepodge of "real" genre.
It's disturbing that the labels have power to classify music for commercial reasons. First class brainwashing 😀
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Post by whitefang on Apr 3, 2017 16:44:29 GMT -5
"Americana". Somewhere else in some discussion I brought up that there's a CBC station I tune into (living in the Detroit area, Windsor Ont. and other Canadian stations are in easy reach) that plays what WE call "Americana" but by all Canadian artists. I wondered what THEY call it in Canada, or possibly "Americana" covers ALL of NORTH AMERICA?
I don't know, but it got me wondering. Whitefang
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Post by JamesP on Apr 3, 2017 17:54:05 GMT -5
Not sure either.
I somehow think it's an attempt to pull all 'roots' music together.
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Post by whitefang on Apr 4, 2017 9:21:31 GMT -5
At first I thought, "Well then, why not CALL it just "roots" music. Then it hit me....You'll open a WHOLE big can of worms with different ethnic groups then breaking it all into little groups. African-Americans insisting there be an "African-American Roots" music, Latinos with THEIR "Latin-American Roots" music, Italian, Irish, Polish and wahtever else-American roots music etc. Because there's always been some insidious and inherent need for people to insist on PIDGEONHOLING everything. And some xenophobes who'll refuse to include other ethicities in with THEIR culture's "roots" music. Which is what's great about rock'n'roll. Most music historians and the genre's enthusiasts make NO BONES about the influence of African-American R&B being ONE of the many ingredients that made up this wonderful stew. And the genre has had, and STILL has fans, lovers and enthusiasts from every walk of life, ethnicity and spanned the globe to OTHER cultures as well. It's all inclusive and discriminates against NO one. Except maybe some who can't keep a beat. Whitefang
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Post by JamesP on Apr 10, 2017 7:45:22 GMT -5
Jackie Brenston - Rocket 88
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